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Tell me, amigo, what kind of Banana Republic you run in Russia?
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Wise TibetanMonkey
2014-04-19 20:33:09 UTC
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I don't know, it seems politics are manipulated one way or another, and I wouldn't be surprised that Russia's elections are manipulated. Maybe the game is different in Russia, and maybe there are even real leaders emerging from it. In the meantime, I tell you about the tricks and means used by the powerful to play politics.

RE: "FREE TURKEYS FOR THE ELDERLY"

SOMEONE ASKS FOR HIS TURKEY:

"I'm elderly. Please Tell me where to pick up my free turkey. I want my free turkey. Seriously, no kidding, I would like to have my free turkey.
Are they processed? Or do you just throw a leash around their neck and walk them home?
I'd prefer 5, 3lb chickens, but one 15lb turkey would do just as well.
Please direct me to the nearest free turkey dispensary. I live in Arizona and can take a bus.

One thing you left out about old people. They die much sooner than young people and are no longer a problem."

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MY WISE REPLY:

The vote they cast becomes a lingering legacy beyond the grave. For example, many elderly enthusiastically voted for Bush's "tough stance on terrorism" which translated into supporting his wars. Now we are stuck. Actually the cost of the wars will have to paid by future generations. I've heard them say, "I don't care... I won't be alive!"

As for for the turkey, I remember the Thanksgiving celebrations given to the elderly in the 2000 elections.

(I quote)

Inequities in the distribution of what have come to be called "entitlements" need to receive more attention in American society. The disproportion of public funds paid to the elderly as over against payments and services to children is a scandal, but almost nobody is scandalized.

Reasons for the disparate treatment of the old and the young include the simple fact that elders vote and children do not.

http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=211

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Technically that's known as a gerontocracy. Or perhaps a plutocracy that knows how how to distribute the turkeys. "Banana Republic," amigo!


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Wise TibetanMonkey
2014-04-20 16:24:12 UTC
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This is a great exchange that will make history in the "jungle of ideas." I do not try to address every points he makes for the sake of brevity.

SOMEONE COMMENTS:

Let me just say, this is a pretty ridiculous statement. Put in proper context, climate change is not much of a challenge whatsoever.

Furthermore, I understand your obsession with sidewalks and bike lanes, and at one time I felt much the same way as you. I also was pushing for a massive expansion of mass transit(especially light-rail). In the past I worked for BNSF railroad, and I have become very familiar with the state of rail in America. The much higher efficiency of trains relative to semi trucks and cars. The fact that gas taxes don't come anywhere close to paying the costs of roads, and how if you were to take the $700 billion a year to pay for the military and apply it to the 300+ million Americans. The average family of four would be paying nearly $9,000 a year to support our military, which disproportionately is used to police middle-east oil.

With that said, I couldn't come up with a working solution to those problems. I mean, I know you are obsessed with democracy, but obviously democracy already exists and hasn't produced what you want it to produce. Even in those countries with bike lanes, was it really produced by a triumph of Democracy? Or was it simply a triumph of special interests going in a different direction than they go here? Isn't the reason there are bike lanes and mass transit in Europe a result of economics and not politics? If America was to wake up tomorrow and have no domestic oil whatsoever, how long would it take before there were bike lanes everywhere?

Thus we must recognize that democracy has absolutely nothing to do with anything. What actually controls our government is economics and concentrated special-interests, period. To believe otherwise is completely delusional. And yes, the elderly are a special-interest group.

So what is the solution? It is impossible to take power away from special-interests. And it isn't just money. For instance large media institutions have far more power than any other entity in the United States. When I hear the media complaining about how money controls politics, it is nothing more than the pot calling the kettle black.

In truth, the only way you can make sure your money goes where you want it to go, is through the market, period. Thus the only solution to the transportation dilemma would be to abolish all government control over it.

For some perspective. If you wanted to build a 5' sidewalk that runs one mile, the cost of only the concrete would be roughly $33,000. A typical 5' sidewalk installed can easily cost $1 million per mile.

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MY WISE COMMENT:

I'm leaving aside the comment of dismissing climate change, but I can only tell you I side with the overwhelming scientific community who believes in it, particularly the climatologists who say it's "man made," whether that means China or America, who are the worst polluters. By the way, do you think the fact that China is choking in its own pollution has a solution? I wonder if this pollution is spreading around and changing the world climate. My own common sense tells me it does.

Well, the rest of your post is really valuable and thought provoking. If you deny climate change you may be OK with our policy of "burning energy is good." They don't say it like that, but since energy means someone is making money --namely Big Oil-- we may say whatever burns money is good for you. There's no politics of frugality whatsoever, and even the money dumped on sidewalks and bike lanes are a waste of money. I mean, it really is. Our sidewalks/bike facilities are not helping anything. They are dangerous, to the point that it seems like an evil mind doesn't want you to walk or ride a bike. And mixing bicycles and pedestrians is a recipe for disaster.

The elderly are an special interest group that vote according to the wishes of the masters. The elders are not really wiser, just dumb and low. And I'm a monkey making noise here. It kind of makes my point that we live in a "money jungle," and that there's no solution.

Oh wait, the solution is the revolution.

You know, I hear the little Republic of Ecuador has undertaken such a path. There's hope...

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Wise TibetanMonkey
2014-04-21 14:56:55 UTC
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SOMEONE IS CLEVER ENOUGH TO POINT THIS OUT:

Furthermore, I understand your obsession with sidewalks and bike lanes, and at one time I felt much the same way as you. I also was pushing for a massive expansion of mass transit(especially light-rail). In the past I worked for BNSF railroad, and I have become very familiar with the state of rail in America. The much higher efficiency of trains relative to semi trucks and cars. The fact that gas taxes don't come anywhere close to paying the costs of roads, and how if you were to take the $700 billion a year to pay for the military and apply it to the 300+ million Americans. The average family of four would be paying nearly $9,000 a year to support our military, which disproportionately is used to police middle-east oil.

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MY WISE COMMENT:

I failed to properly address this topic.

In order to change our "oil addiction" we must use the bicycle and the train. Creating a "bicycle infrastructure" could be as simple as giving the right traffic lane to "slow vehicles," ie. NEVs (neighborhood electric vehicles), scooters under 50 cc and bicycles. Of course, cars could still use the right lane when none is present but limited to 20-25 mph.

Trains though need an infrastructure and investment to set up. Politics in America is such that any "social project" outside of the roads is rejected offhand. Then we are sitting hopelessly for hours in rush hour. Our driving habits are third world. We basically ignore the basic rule to pass on the left. It's not only the rule in other civilized countries, but it would prevent untold number of accidents and increase the average speed on the road. At the same time speed limits are largely ignored due to the lack of enforcement, mainly the "speed cameras" that could bring a sense of security to our communities.

It may be said that our roads are as dysfunctional as our democracy. Everyone does what he wants, and the big fish eats the little fish.

Well, good news from Sudan:

http://news.yahoo.com/aboard-sudans-sleek-nile-train-rarity-100659883.html
Wise TibetanMonkey
2014-04-22 14:16:18 UTC
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will they hang out amongst the caves too?
The Spartans weren't cavemen. The Spartans were Spartans.
Funny thing many who follow Jesus are not spartan.
SPARTAN: showing the indifference to comfort or luxury traditionally associated with ancient Sparta.
Revolutionaries must be spartan. There's no toilet paper in Venezuela. Who needs toilet paper?

Well, food and bicycles are not a luxury, and it seems they are in short supply in Venezuela too. It's not there's no bicycles, it's just that Venezuelans are used to the "American way of life," where the bicycle has no place.

What kind of revolution is that?
Wise TibetanMonkey
2014-04-22 15:25:32 UTC
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(OK, OK, this is really the big one. The big debate to end all debates. Who needs to debate after this? We just need to go out there and have fun as a monkey. Well, we say very important things to think about while you ride your bike. Or maybe when you go walking. That works too! Actually you may even grab yourself a nice scooter and have a blast. Who says the revolution must be boring? No, no, it better be fun!)

SOMEONE SAYS:

Look, I hate to belittle your point-of-view in any way because I once felt exactly the same way, and I can still recognize the great virtue of trying to put in place such a system. The problem with your way of looking at the world is that you take a very top-down approach. You are effectively arguing that the way we are doing things now is "bad", and the way you want things to be is "good". You have a long list of reasons why your way is good, and I am sure you genuinely feel that way.

I don't even intend to disagree with your "ideal world" being ideal in its own way. Obviously there are health benefits, and you could certainly find good reasons for why it would benefit us economically(less dependency on foreign oil). The problem I have with your position is that it really doesn't take into account what people actually want. Or at least what they are actually willing to pay for it. In truth, the entire disposition is based on a totally unprincipled philosophy. Let me explain.


Either you believe democracy can solve our problems, or you don't believe democracy can solve our problems. You seem to be arguing that democracy should produce bike lanes and mass transit. But democracy already exists and has largely not produced those things. So then you argue that we don't really have a democracy, that our government is controlled by special interests(especially oil, real estate, car manufacturers, etc). Which is probably correct, but even if that is true, how do you really know what the people actually want? Or more appropriately, what they are willing to pay for if given the choice?

Let me say, the majority of people don't care at all for bike lanes. The vast majority of the population wouldn't ride a bicycle if there was a bike lane right in front of their house and it took them everywhere they needed to go. In the vast majority of the United States bicycles are impractical, or at least impractical most of the year. Kansas isn't Copenhagen, the weather is terrible, and the sprawl is considerable. If left to pure democratic choice, bike lanes simply would not exist. I mean, look at it like this. Imagine if they could take a bike lane project and its cost, then put it up for direct democratic vote, would it pass? It is extremely unlikely.

Bike lanes and mass transit projects are mostly pushed through by city planners. Who are primarily trying to alleviate traffic and parking issues.

In truth, I find it ironic that you seem to have so much faith in Democracy, when you should actually be disgusted by it. Democracy will not produce what you want it to produce, one way or another. In those places where democracy so happens to have produced bike lanes or mass transit, they are almost universally a consequence of economics, not democracy. In Europe, the only reason mass transit even exists is a combination of extremely high gas prices and infrastructure that predates the automobile(the same goes for New York City). Urban Sprawl is increasing all across Europe.

And all of this really begs the question, who actually benefits from mass transit anyway? The truth is, the only entity which truly benefits from mass transit is the government. The rich don't care about it, and the poor can neither really afford mass transit, or the sky-high prices of everything else that goes to pay for it. As prices rise, the socioeconomic segregation becomes extreme. In those cities where mass transit is most available, are the cities you least want to live if you are poor(or at least white and poor). Do you want to be poor in Chicago or New York City? I don't.

But all of this ignores the only good argument that bicyclists have. Since local roads are paid for largely by property taxes, and since people who ride bicycles pay the property taxes just like everyone else. Bicyclists believe their "share" of the taxes they pay in should go to doing things they actually want, rather than what others want to do with that money. Basically, the bicyclist argument is the exact opposite of democratic choice. Which is actually very common among both those on the liberal left and the conservative right. Everyone wishes the money they pay in to taxes would go to the things they actually want. Which is impossible in a democracy. Thus, almost everyone actually despises democracy, they just don't see an alternative.

So is there an alternative?

The problem with democracy is that whoever gets 51% of the vote gets what they want and the other 49% gets nothing. In order for bicyclists to have what they want, you would need to devise a system where minorities are better represented. Where those with only 10% of the vote can still receive 10% of the funding. But if you know anything about politics, you'll realize that politics is largely an all-or-nothing game. When Obama won 51% of the vote in 2012, he declared that he received a "mandate" from the American people. Then declared that the other 49% of the population were just being obstructionists because they didn't win the vote.

That sort of winner-takes-all election system is something that those on the political left will seem to embrace when their candidate is in charge, but then deride when they aren't(the same goes for those on the political right). There is no consistent principled position when it comes to politics and democracy in America, and I don't believe that you can fix it.

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MY WISE WORDS:

I'll take it right there: "I don't believe that you can fix it... in America."

There's hope that these ideas will be put into place in other nations, such as Ecuador or Colombia (they are taking great steps toward a bike culture), or perhaps Sudan --out of need. In Africa the bike is the most valuable tool you can have.

(just wrote this that seems very fitting here)

SPARTAN: showing the indifference to comfort or luxury traditionally associated with ancient Sparta.

Revolutionaries must be spartan. There's no toilet paper in Venezuela. Who needs toilet paper?

Well, food and bicycles are not a luxury, and it seems they are in short supply in Venezuela too. It's not there's no bicycles, it's just that Venezuelans are used to the "American way of life," where the bicycle has no place.

What kind of revolution is that?

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So America is that way, and it will probably be that way, until the final Armageddon --associated with climate change or nuclear war, not Jesus. Of course, Americans believe in Jesus so everything is upside down. The problem --an even greater problem-- is that America exports that model to some countries like China, India and Venezuela, where the average citizen is as brainwashed as Americans. Who brainwashes Americans? The answer is obvious: ADVERTISING. They flash in your face SUVs on TV every day, and that's what you see out there, and you think you may survive better on our chaotic roads being bigger, so naturally you want an SUV too! So here we are: 300 million plus consumers. WE ARE CONSUMERS. Forget the fancy words like democracy and freedom. Nothing's free in the land of the free. The bicycle is free, that's why it doesn't happen. Again, no bicycle infrastructure is needed. TAKE THE LANE AND RIDE AWAY! You may live in the frozen tundra, or the high mountains, where a bicycle is NOT practical, but for the rest of us it's an actual solution. We don't want to be fat like Americans. We don't want to live in a cage like Americans. We don't want to live in fear like Americans.

So I'm praying to the Banana Goddess (mother nature) for a real spartan revolution somewhere. It could be Russia or it could be Sudan. It could be democratic or not. We can go Holland and be inspired:

http://www.justebikes.co.uk/categories/sparta/

Notice the brand name and the type of bike where they lead: ELECTRIC BIKES. Not exactly spartan, but we want to something better than Sudan. All those bikes are certified SUB: Sport Utility Bike.

We don't need more junk than necessary. A cargo bike weighs 50 lbs, an SUV weighs 5 tons. We can actually be adventurous and be social on a bike. We don't want to intimidate anyone. We don't want to kill anyone even by accident. Life is not about power. In my philosophy the purpose of life is to have fun --as a monkey, right?
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